Hello again,
With getting used to remailers and PGP
and all that its easier if I
posts a few replies at once.
"AMI" <amio2@gte.net> wrote:
>
>If indeed you are
truly LRH, a fair number of people will need to
>put their hand
in your side. But if you are, welcome back indeed.
Thank you.
>How do you view
the controversy regarding 6 month sec checks on OT
>VII?
>
The sec checks should only really occur
where a Pre-OT is not
progressing well.
But then there seems to be a situation
going where they get into a
grind on NOTs. They are pulling off entities
and pulling off entities
and feel like they are making gains but
you don't see a lot of change
happening in the person's life and conditions.
So what you've got is
someone who has expanded their space and
responsibility and new
overts come into view. If these aren't
taken up then the person is
going to have problems with entities in
the valences of those against
whom the overts were committed. It may
be that they are looking in
the wrong areas for overts - OTs on NOTs
will be hitting into whole
track responsibility so asking them about
this lifetime stuff really
isn't going to hit it. There's also a
factor of validating entities
too much as I talked about back in the
days of the PDC. One needs to
shift the PC around to cause from time
to time - properly run sec
checks will do that.
Misownership coming up too much is mostly
out TRs. The auditor should
be looking at the PC when he asks the
questions - that way he
impinges on the Pre-OT not the entity
banks.
"Raymond J. Krenik, Jr." <rkrenik@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ron,
>
I think you should re-read a few of your own 1965 policies. In
>
>particular one
that mentions us exiting from the top and becoming
>the islands
which will become the sea. Orgs. indeed, infiltrated
>and squirreling
big time from the top down. Wing Angell used to
>know them all by
heart from what Refugio told me.
>
We have better Tech. outside the Orgs.
>
"Snake" would probably tell you to show this bulletin (20 April
> 2000,
>EXCALIBUR), to
"Sweeney"! What happened to "All life is created
>reactively!"?
>Ray Krenik
Hi Ray,
Well quite a few things can happen to Scientologists
between lives,
as you would know.
Some have carried on researching and have
found parts of the upper
bridge. Their number is small and those
applying the materials are
few. What they are lacking is organizations
to support their efforts
and to build up the environment around
them. Training is missing.
Back in the 60s I had a vision of a shorter
bridge. It wasn't until
the late 70s that the enormity of the
task really hit me. I tried to
build up a strong group of auditors to
deliver Super Power and found
that I had to create a whole new section
of the bridge just to get
their TRs in.
The islands that one could became are 7th
dynamic and the sea the
8th. There is no short jump. Each of the
dynamics and their
interactions must be examined. One has
to look from the lower
dynamics up and from the upper dynamics
down. Most of the charge can
only be encompassed by a God but the located
viewpoint also retains
charge unless one looks up at the God
who is oneself from one's
mortality.
So its somewhat of a bootstrapping job
blowing off charge from the
top and switching back to view things
from the ground up. Trying to
jump up to that 8 dynamic state without
handling the lower dynamic
charge had send one up a pole. The fall
is often pretty unpleasant.
edrhett <edrhett@swbell.net> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If that is really
you, then welcome back. I will be watching the
>Church of Scientology
to see if it really does change. Once burned,
>twice shy.
>
>I know that the
upper bridge is very important, but many people,
>myself included,
got bushwhacked by "Ethics" before we really got
>started on the
bridge. For us there is no upper bridge until the
>lower bridge is
corrected. I will be watching to see if people are
>allowed to train
and co-audit without interference from "Ethics".
>This is probably
the only thing I will be looking for, because I see
>it as the only
way to go up the bridge without going into a
>condition of treason
against the human race. Maybe I am
>overreacting, but
that was, and is, my postulate.
>
>Good luck, Ron.
You have your work cut out for you.
Thanks. What I left behind, rather rapidly
thrown together, was a
structure that would keep things going
for a few years without a Goal
Finder. A bit like leaving a mind running
on automatic without its
thetan. It was bound to run into problems
of too much authority and
enforcement. I think you'll see the real
changes when Super Power is
available to staffs. As they clean up
their own injustices on all
flows so they'll loosen up on others.
"AMI" <amio2@gte.net> wrote:
>I hope you are going to post the upper OT levels too!
The first to have a stable group through
the Briefing Course will
have the pilot project for the upper levels.
They only exist in rough
form at the moment and need smoothing
out in application. I really
can't see that happening outside the Church
at the moment. I gave a
lecture late in '59 about individuation.
That's what has happened
outside the Church. The top people don't
have auditors with the
presence to clean up their O/Ws.
Heidrun Beer <concern@atnet.at> wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Apr 2000
01:22:25 -0400 (EDT), The Apprentice wrote in
><38fe1a0f.15814715@nntp.lightlink.com>:
>
>>Hey, guys, does
anybody know WTF is it??? LRH reincarnated (laugh)?
>>
There is really no such thing as reincarnation.
The truth is that you
were never anything but exterior. It would
be indeed be a very sad
joke were I to reincarnate. OT9 is about
finding your own real
magnitude as a being. It is the refound
God who must audit the upper
levels as an Operating Thetan above the
dynamics.
>>Some newborn Koos
channelling his thoughts? A troll from critics? A
>>spam from the
Church (unbelievable)? Just someone's joke?
>
>Good question!
Maybe somebody who read my group-consciousness
>material? I have
a nearly identical statement in the chapter
>on failed connection
attempts, http://www.sgmt.at/gce/gce4.htm
>(click "Failed
Connection Attempts").
You have quite a few of the concepts there.
One is single celled and
multi celled and much more. I started
to explain it in Excalibur with
the concept of a self fighting symbiosis
but the full concepts aren't
really realizable until one has most of
the charge off the upper
dynamic GPM structures.
>The next question
would be: are these informations stored somewhere
>in a database to
which we can connect? If not, how come that they
>appear in different
minds at the same time? The same phenomenon
>has been observed
in scientific discoveries.
Yes, they are stored. In the same way that
there are reactive minds
on all dynamic so exist analytical minds.
Bill Robertson sort of touched into their
nature with his material on
Prime MOCOs but fell quite a bit short
as they encompass all
dynamics. A few, in keyed-out states,
hit what they called the
"Akashic Records" which are, in essence,
our memories as the higher
dynamics.
Love,
Ron